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78 contributions to Rock Singing Success
Crossing Bridges
The "bridge" is a term I had heard before finding Rock Singing Success. I had been told there is one bridge, also called a passaggio and that learning to navigate the passaggio well (think of Chris Isaak singing Wicked Game) is the key to being able to sing with tonal consistency from low notes to high notes and not have your voice crack while you're doing it. By tonal consistency, I just mean being able to sing throughout your range and not sound like one person in mode one and sound like somebody else in mode 2. Navigating the passagio meant being able to transition from mode one to mode two seamlessly. That may be valid information. I learned it even before I ever met my first vocal coach, so since it didn't come from him, its certainly possible that it's an accurate description of how what the "bridge" is: The thing that you use to move back and forth between modes one and two and not have your voice crack, or sound like two different singers. As far as I know, unless you want to count fry as "mode zero", there are just two modes. Mode one is what you typically use to speak, unless you're Mickey Mouse, and then there's mode two, which is also sometimes called head register. The voice breaks if you're not skilled in navigating the passaggio. I had gathered that you could think of the passaggio as the "bridge" that takes you from mode one into mode two. This was my understanding of "bridge" before I found RSS. R.S. found RSS. Imagine that! Good thing too, since the way I was being taught to create grit was pulverizing my larynx. "Just imagine you're lifting something heavy" - No thanks! If I were deliberately setting out to create as much unnecessary muscle tension as possible, then that would have been useful, but otherwise, no. There had to be a better way. "Just use the least amount of constriction necessary." - OK, I'm paraphrasing, but essentially that was what made RSS different from the way I was previously taught to create grit. My first coach encouraged me to constrict until no air at all was coming out and then just release tension ever so slightly until a little air can finally escape and we have "Grrrrrit"! And Reinke's Edema too!
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Thank you for your kind words! A man’s first bridge (primo passaggio) is around E4, a woman’s around A4. This is when the voice moves from chest to head register, a stark change in formant positions, M1 to M2. You can pull chest up higher or head lower as well, but not naturally. M3 or whistle voice (flageolet) starts around E5. But for men, the maxing out of the TA muscles and stark move into more of the head voice formant that happens around A4 and above is often called the second bridge. Something similar happens to women around C#4, but not as pronounced. That note is less a bridge and more where the voice is forced into a mostly heady mix in both men and women anatomy, rather than the wall that men hit at A4.
Taking Rock Vocal Lessons Compared To Pop Vocal Lessons
I wonder how much difference there is in the way that rock vocals are taught compared to how pop vocals are. Sometimes the line between pop and rock can get blurry. The Eagles had plenty of songs that must have appealed to a pop audience...and a country audience. Life In The Fast Lane is one of their few songs that doesn't sound country or pop; it is definitively rock. Overall, they appealed to fans beyond a strictly rock audience. Look at the album sales they did in the mid-70s. Their Greatest Hits (1971-1975) is still the best selling album in the U.S. after all these years. It is certified 38 x Platinum. That mark may never be broken. Towards the end of that same year, they just happened to release Hotel California. Talk about a good year for a rock band! The only reason Hotel California didn't win the Grammy for record of the year is that it was up against Fleetwood Mac's Rumours album. It has sold over 40 million copies by appealing to a very mainstream audience and being a tremendous piece of art. It was one of those few times when an album's critical acclaim and it's commercial success both got as good as it gets. Fleetwood Mac blurred the line between genres just as well as The Eagles did. More recently, on the pop side of things, Miley Cyrus has become known for doing some amazing covers of songs that venture well outside of pop. She's considered a pop star but her raspy voice and audacious stage presence fit rock music extremely well. I happen to think Miley is actually better suited for rock than pop! All this makes me wonder: Is there that much of a difference between taking lessons for rock vocals and taking lessons for pop vocals? For a rock vocalist who has the rock music fundamentals down, would transitioning into pop present vocal challenges their rock background hadn't prepared them for? Just as a hypothetical example, since George Michael is widely considered one of the greatest pop vocalists there has been, what kinds of things would a hard rock or metal vocalist have to prepare for to venture outside of their comfort zone and make the kind of album that George Michael might have made?
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It depends on the singer, but most contemporary styles have the same foundations. Pop is the most similar to rock, and you could almost see them as two ends of the same spectrum. On one end, the voice is lighter, more focused on a pretty, more heady mixed voice that takes a lot of coordination to stabilize. On the other end, you have belting up high -- which you've often heard me describe as a shape rather than a push. But there's a lot more endurance and stability strength training to support the extra throttle and musculature needed to keep the sound more chesty up high. If you extend that end of the spectrum, that's where a lot of distortion fits; which needs a lot more coordination and strength training for ultimate control over these fine-motor skills under high velocity, and conditioning over time for the extra air and oscillations in the folds. Since I train students across the entire spectrum, just short of going into Classical, I'm very familiar with the differences. One of our teachers also has a degree in vocal performance and sings opera, so I suppose we have that covered too. haha! I would say that if you want to sing pop, you'll want to train your coordination routines on several different levels, getting control over a progressively lighter mixed voice.
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@Isabella Jones-O'Brien welcome! I think Rock spans a wide variety of styles, including pop and alternative, not to mention different eras. A lot of people here are our students and range from jazz and rock of the 50’s and 60’s all the way to modern pop and more extreme metal. Some of our one-on-one students are from Darwin, Melbourne, Sydney, and Tasmania 🙂 We’re glad to have you here! Feel free to ask questions as you go through the material in the classroom, and share your own music on Music Mondays. Who are your main influences right now?
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@Arnis Gustins Welcome! You're in the right place! Feel free to ask for feedback or any other questions you have on your journey. We're happy to help. I also help a lot of my students with songwriting, and have taught a few recording, mixing, and mastering. I've been a performer, music career coach, and recording engineer for about 30 years on top of teaching singing. So I'm happy to help with just about every aspect of it you need. For distortion, stay with the basics for a while: building fine-motor skill to control the balance of compression, acoustics, and constriction in the arytenoids. If you can create fry, then the hardest part is holding the resonance of your singing voice towards the eyes, while simultaneously adding scry/sob to thin the glottis and gently constricting in the hyoid area to "touch" fry. One of my students said it feels like a light glottal attack into an airy /uh/. It can take a couple of months to get where you can get grit conssistently on command.
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Welcome! No need for YELLING IN ALL CAPS! Haha! Really glad to have you here! What are your influences? Goals? Challenges? We're happy to help.
Asylum - This Song Still Blows My Mind
My God, I hadn’t listened to this song in about fifteen years, but when I finally heard it again today, it brought back everything from the Maryland/D.C. music scene of the 90s. Asylum is the title track of the debut album by Unorthodox, released in 1992. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDBzwQE0HLA What other band had songs with arrangements like this? What band except Unorthodox could be so heavy and still play it so pretty? At 1:38 a breathtaking instrumental section begins. The atmosphere it creates...beautiful. You don’t write things like this without being something of a musical genius. Drummer Ronnie Kalimon does an outstanding job here. This would not have had nearly the same effect on the listeners without his stellar drumming. At 2:51 the music once again transcends to another level. This sound…this is what autumn in Maryland feels like. All conveyed with guitar, bass and drums. Then you add the charismatic vocals of Dale Flood and it takes you to that state of mind. “My child of love…the innocent one”
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Asylum - This Song Still Blows My Mind
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Here's another that I find fascinating, combining a southern-gothic feel with hard rock and metal in a very unique way: https://youtu.be/6YlqHTJWiHU?si=N4CCfLVZE4rGdbW5
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@Russell Spear I thought you meant the distortion. Fast vibrato started getting really popular with Post Malone rising to stardom. I really think he used to slow the recording down, sing normal, and then speed it back up. But since then, a lot of artists have figured it how to do it. At its core, it’s a bleating vibrato, but it’s softened up compared to what most people think of as that type of vibrato. It took me a while to figure out what they were doing until I eventually approached it that way and started getting it consistently. Definitely something that needs trained into.
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