@Mustafa Rasool yeah I get it I was referring to business as well that we have all failed many times we've just forgotten our failures or assume they aren't the same failures so they don't count. I think that's the key "how bad do you want it to happen" 100%

@Abhishek Joshi I'd say there is a gray line here. With billions of people in the world to label all coaches broke, and all clients that work for free as not serious doesn't actually serve you in the long term. Would you yourself take free support serious? Are you a broke coach? Point is yes it could be true and it can be the other way as well. What's some ways you can offer free support but ensure someone takes it seriously? Things Alex Hormozi and others have recommended in the past: 1. They must sign a commitment agreement 2. They donate to a charity 3. They provide you with something they value which may not be money. 4. Offer your services with a money back guarantee. As a fun experiment, put yourself in the shoes of your future self having solved your dilemma what did you do to resolve it? - Do that, if it doesn't work, try something else.

@Marcin Hakemer-Fernandez I'm assuming it's a method to get referrals into the community? If they can get 15 people in he will unlock a course for the community? The response didn't make sense "yes" 😂

@Eric Howell Android for life

@Mustafa Rasool you should because people love Bali and Indonesia when they get to it.

If you are taking a page out of Alex Hormozi journey. He didn't start charging people out the door he actually got them to donate to a charity he later shifted it as a joke to the charity being himself. The point is he did the services for free sorta but he said he did that to prove he could do it before he charged. Now that's not to say you need to do it for years but I have heard people do various methods of getting commitments for free services they include: 1. Donations to charity with proof as a screenshot 2. A written agreement 3. Discounted or beta priced clients with a 100% money back guarantee if you don't deliver on what you promised. The point that I see even myself doing is that I am trying to get lots of clients by having the perfect offer and perfect messages but really I just need one client and if I can't sell or convince one person then I have something else I need to look into. So as a reminder to myself, what's the problem? What's the solution? That's enough to talk to people.